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Break Free from Trauma Bonding | Take Back Your Power

Episode Summary

Break Free from Trauma Bonding | Take Back Your Power Trauma bonding can keep us stuck in relationships that drain our self-worth, confidence, and happiness. The cycle of hope, hurt, and confusion makes it incredibly difficult to walk away—even when we know it’s not healthy. If you recognise yourself in this, you are not alone. Trauma bonds are powerful, but you CAN break free and reclaim your inner power.

Episode Notes

Break Free from Trauma Bonding | Take Back Your Power 

Trauma bonding can keep us stuck in relationships that drain our self-worth, confidence, and happiness. The cycle of hope, hurt, and confusion makes it incredibly difficult to walk away—even when we know it’s not healthy. If you recognise yourself in this, you are not alone. Trauma bonds are powerful, but you CAN break free and reclaim your inner power. In this episode of Ask Dr. Jodi, I unpack what trauma bonding really is, why it happens, and how it can quietly undermine your mental health and relationships. We’ll explore the root causes, the emotional risks, and—most importantly—practical steps you can take to start healing and rebuilding your sense of self.

Many people struggle to understand why they stay in relationships that feel both necessary and draining. Trauma bonding can make leaving or changing these dynamics feel impossible. 

Key Takeaways

This episode is full of compassionate, practical advice for recognising trauma bonds, protecting yourself, and moving towards relationships that lift you up.

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Episode Transcription

[00:00:00] Dr. Jodi Aman: Let's talk about what this is so that you could see if this is a risk in your life, and if you want to do something about it, then I'm gonna tell you the things that you can do about it. But this is about building awareness around trauma bonding, because it's not always bad. There is some good parts of it, and I wanna be clear on what those good things are.

[00:00:23] Dr. Jodi Aman: So that you could take the good things and not have the things that [00:00:30] will cause you more suffering because some trauma bonding, some relationships that get started with trauma bonding or are those connections really revolve around trauma bonding could have some risks. That doesn't mean they're always problematic.

[00:00:48] Dr. Jodi Aman: It doesn't mean that everybody's bad. It just means that there are risks. And if you've had trauma in your life, which most of us have, big T trauma, little T trauma, the word [00:01:00] trauma means that you experience an event that overwhelmed your senses. So much it, it overwhelmed your senses so much that there was some chemistry change in your mind that affected how you take in that memory or how you laid out that memory.

[00:01:18] Dr. Jodi Aman: Your adrenaline gets released so that you could fight or flee or freeze or whatever you have to do to survive. When those mechanisms happen, when you are overwhelmed, when your senses [00:01:30] are overwhelmed during a traumatic experience, your hippocampus turns off. So that kind of storied memory turns off where we categorize and understand and make meaning, and the amygdala, that memory of your amygdala, which is an emotional memory, gets kicked into overdrive.

[00:01:48] Dr. Jodi Aman: So you start laying down. That emotional memory, so your amygdala could track it faster the next time, but you're turning off the hippocampus. And so what happens [00:02:00] is, is that that's why people have like flashbacks and they feel like they're in the present moment, so. Because the memory that they've had from that experience is a present experience memory, right?

[00:02:12] Dr. Jodi Aman: It didn't get storied because the hippocampus was turned off. All of the energy goes into surviving those moments. And so those things are not getting processed. And often people are in a cycle of fight, freeze, or flee during a traumatic [00:02:30] experience and. If they freeze in that experience, they're not coming out of the cycle, and so they're reliving it over and over again because they haven't been able to release themselves from that adrenaline cycle where you take action.

[00:02:49] Dr. Jodi Aman: Or you know, you're taking action most times you do take action but might not know it because you're in freeze mode. Sometimes you are in freeze mode and your action comes later, but you, it's [00:03:00] too far later to ha felt like you've completed or, or chemically, and that when I say chemicals in the brain, I'm not saying they're hormones, they're not something weird. You don't have a problem with chemicals? No, no, no. Uh.

[00:03:15] Dr. Jodi Aman: Pharmaceuticals started using the word chemical. When they're talking about brain chemistry, of course it's chemistry, but they wanted it to sound like something pathological when it's just hormones. When you think of the [00:03:30] word hormone, it doesn't feel pathological, but when you think of the word chemical or chemical imbalance, it does feel like there's something wrong with you.

[00:03:38] Dr. Jodi Aman: And so they use those terminologies. To have influence on the story, on the narrative, and we see this all the time. Right now. People are, we see it in marketing. We've always seen it in marketing. Now we're seeing it in the news cycle. It's almost, it's marketing come to a. Everything, right? We're being infiltrated [00:04:00] in everything by spun stories and using terminology that makes you feel a certain way or understand things a certain way.

[00:04:08] Dr. Jodi Aman: Okay okay. So. So that's what trauma is, is your senses have been overwhelmed by an experience or a series of experiences, like chronic experiences. They're all little traumas that add up to a lot of, um, effects on our life. What happens is when you've experienced a trauma, you have effects [00:04:30] from the trauma.

[00:04:32] Dr. Jodi Aman: So you don't still have the trauma. Trauma was the experience, but you have effects of the trauma. So you have some people might call those symptoms or consequences of the trauma. So ways that you are, after you've had that experience, ways that you continue to express how that event affected you. I'm trying not to use any pathological terminology because we use that and our brain hears that [00:05:00] pathology, but this is really exactly what we'd expect you to have.

[00:05:05] Dr. Jodi Aman: If you've gone through a hard time. I want you to know that this is not like something's wrong with you because you have this, that you have these consequences of trauma or you have these feelings after your trauma or, people might call them issues. This is a regular human response to what happened.

[00:05:21] Dr. Jodi Aman: You're not crazy, you're not weak, you're not anything, and you didn't cause the trauma in the first place. That's an important message that I want you to hear. [00:05:30] You didn't cause it in the first PLA place, and you're not causing this reaction to it. This is a regular human reaction. It'd be weird if you didn't feel something after having gone through that horrible thing, right?

[00:05:42] Dr. Jodi Aman: Okay, so when people go through trauma, I've talked about this tons of times, they end up blaming themselves quite often or being confused about how to make meaning. Like, is it me, is it them? Is it me, is it them? They play the billing game, which causes so much suffering because our mind really [00:06:00] wants an answer, really wants to understand it, co create some kind of order around it.

[00:06:05] Dr. Jodi Aman: But we don't, we don't really have confidence in ourself after the trauma because we are often blaming ourselves, like we invited it in somehow, or we caused it or allowed it. And we didn't, you know, we didn't, but. It's the fastest way for us to get order, but it's actually not order. 'cause we keep questioning and keep questioning.

[00:06:28] Dr. Jodi Aman: 'cause even that doesn't make sense. [00:06:30] Thank goodness it makes sense and then it doesn't make sense. And then it makes sense again and we argue it over and over and over. Okay. So when you've gone through trauma, you're in that state, sometimes you have consequences of trauma. You're questioning yourself, you're doubting yourself, you're feeling very bad about yourself.

[00:06:47] Dr. Jodi Aman: You feel different. Sometimes people use words like, I feel broken. Uh, I feel like a mess. I feel, you know, it makes you feel different. And when we [00:07:00] feel different, that is such a heavy thing on our psyche. It's so upsetting. It's so consuming. And it feels like you're the only one who has this experience and you could maybe put on a good face on the outside.

[00:07:15] Dr. Jodi Aman: So nobody really knows. Other people have had trauma thinking the same thing as you, that they're the only ones. They look at you and think you're fine. ' cause it's so hidden and invisible. But really, EV people are struggling. This is a [00:07:30] regular human response. So this is a lot of people. Struggling, A lot of people struggling with their self-esteem on the account of it, uh, with anxiety, with insecurity depression, maybe.

[00:07:43] Dr. Jodi Aman: Um, so many things. Lack of motivation perhaps. And so when you feel that bad and feel different. When you feel that bad, you tend to isolate yourself. So when people feel bad, they isolate themself. [00:08:00] Worst things that you, the worst thing that you could do is isolate yourself, because then you're stuck in that negativity in your head, and you're stuck in the blame game, and you're stuck thinking of all these terrible things about yourself.

[00:08:11] Dr. Jodi Aman: Don't isolate yourself. Get around people, even if you're not vulnerable. 'cause it feels like, oh, I can't be vulnerable with people right now because it's so, uh, I've had so much trauma and I have so many consequences and I'm, pretty sensitive. You don't have to like be with people and tell them everything about your [00:08:30] life and you don't have to open up.

[00:08:31] Dr. Jodi Aman: We think that everyone can see all that stuff inside and they cannot. But even if you're making small talk, like with a barista saying like your earrings and what's good here or whatever, even those small talk things is getting out of isolation. It's not all you need, but it's something and it could get you started and that barista's not gonna be like that person's crazy.

[00:08:53] Dr. Jodi Aman: Because you're gonna be normal when you go into the coffee shop. You know what I mean? Of [00:09:00] course there's always exceptions to this. You know, when I say something, everyone's like, well, there was that one time. So. When you feel so different and feel so either empty inside or ugly inside, or that you're a mess inside or dark inside, right?

[00:09:18] Dr. Jodi Aman: When you're feeling that you feel different than everybody else, everyone looks fine. They're going about their day. You can't even, it's just like boggles your mind. They're going about your day and you feel so dark inside and then you meet somebody [00:09:30] else. Who's a little vulnerable with you and shares that they have some vulnerabilities, shares that they think that they're dark inside, that they, uh, are insecure and they're sharing these things with you, and you feel like, oh my gosh, this person gets me.

[00:09:48] Dr. Jodi Aman: It feels amazing. Somebody gets you and you could commiserate. That's why there's this term commiserate. You get each other and you could. [00:10:00] Relate to those, the upsetness and the, the consequences of trauma and the insecurity and the feeling like it's you and the, you know, feeling gross or feeling like no one wants to know this stuff or whatever.

[00:10:13] Dr. Jodi Aman: Right? You just could relate to each other. It's a beautiful thing. And after being isolated because you pulled yourself away from people thinking, nobody wants this. Nobody wants to hear this, nobody wants to, I don't want this to touch anybody. It's so ugly and horrible. I don't even want it to touch [00:10:30] anybody else.

[00:10:31] Dr. Jodi Aman: And so you've isolated yourself and then all of a sudden you have a connection. The connection feels so good that you really latch a little. There's a little, there could be this is the risk. Not always, but the risk is there could be some, grab this there or grasp this when there's a little bit of grasp this, then, you know, some negative risks could happen.

[00:10:58] Dr. Jodi Aman: There could be a little bit of [00:11:00] dependence on that. Overdependence dependence is good. Interdependence is good. Codependence is it's got a negative connotation because of the recovery world, but it's actually a beautiful thing. It's very human. We're social beings, so they co-opted it and made it a negative term.

[00:11:19] Dr. Jodi Aman: The way they use it and the way they use it, I would say over dependent, not codependent. Or, um, and so, [00:11:30] so if you are really latched on and overdependent on that, being successful, staying perfect, nothing stays perfect, right? That other person is a human being. They're gonna make mistakes not on purpose.

[00:11:44] Dr. Jodi Aman: And because they had trauma, sometimes they will err on a survival. If they get freaked out, they will go to their own survival skills with, which might be isolating themselves, leaving you out. [00:12:00] You know, it could be temporary, but it could be permanent. But that sm they might have to do when they feel overwhelmed.

[00:12:07] Dr. Jodi Aman: And so the risk is that they isolate themselves and then you feel like it's you. It has nothing to do with you. These are practical ways to understand the risks. That could be that might be a little bit benign, but man, it's heavy. If you've bonded with somebody around something that you feel like nobody in the world understands, and then that [00:12:30] person has an upsetting moment and isolates themselves and you're alone again, it could be devastating.

[00:12:38] Dr. Jodi Aman: It could be devastating. Uh, there's other risks. Some of the risks might include, so bond, the word bonding. I didn't, I didn't define bonding. Bonding is getting close to somebody, right? It's exactly what it sounds like. Getting and feeling very close to somebody around, usually I. The connotation of bonding is you get really close to [00:13:00] somebody around an experience, and it could be experience that you've both gone through together, you know?

[00:13:05] Dr. Jodi Aman: So if you were in the same, platoon during war, you would be bonded around that experience even if you were in the same war but not in the same group. That could still be a bonding experience because those are unique things that nobody else gets and somebody gets you. So sometimes you've had the same experience.

[00:13:25] Dr. Jodi Aman: Sometimes you could trauma bond with different experiences. Just the known [00:13:30] understanding of going through a really awful thing is enough. To create a trauma bond, so some bonds are wonderful. Wonderful. I mean, we are social beings. We need bonding. We need to be able to be vulnerable with somebody and let somebody really see us.

[00:13:47] Dr. Jodi Aman: But the truth is, you know, we feel if we've had trauma, we feel really afraid to let someone see us because first of all, yeah, we think we're darkening their life. Or we feel like, you know, we're ruining them. If [00:14:00] we show this thing or tell 'em about it, it's so awful. Why would they wanna ever think about that?

[00:14:06] Dr. Jodi Aman: Most times when they do share with somebody, somebody's safe because there's people who are not safe. But if they shoot somebody that they could trust, somebody safe, you could take your time here or you could see a professional. And I know sometimes professionals aren't even safe, unfortunately, so you really have to.

[00:14:28] Dr. Jodi Aman: Listen to your [00:14:30] intuition there, but you um, it what you, I forgot what I was saying because I was like sometimes professionals aren't. Aren't the best. Right? Not everybody, people are people. PE in every place. There's corruption. Corruption of a person, you know, because they get a little too hooked on rules and then they forget about being a person and or they throw out the rules and because they're like, oh, it's fine.

[00:14:59] Dr. Jodi Aman: You know? They're [00:15:00] just not really conscientious. I mean, there's so many different things that you have to be careful that might, that might. Meld with you, it might not meld with you. So when you seek a professional out, take some time, take that first session to really feel like, is this, is this someone who's right for me?

[00:15:18] Dr. Jodi Aman: Or is this someone who puts me down and sees all my negative and you know, is trying to like, tell me what to do. You'll know. You'll know. Okay, so talk to [00:15:30] people about it. Always when you're in new relationships, even with a professional, talk to somebody about it if there's some red flag at all.

[00:15:36] Dr. Jodi Aman: Talk to somebody else because somebody else could see something or confirm that for you. It's always really helpful. I always tell, especially young people, but really any age, if you're dating someone and keeping that a secret, that's a huge red flag. You always wanna share the beginning of the dating with people so that you could see through their eyes when you're telling about it.

[00:15:59] Dr. Jodi Aman: You could [00:16:00] see through their eyes and when you're. Experiencing it, you're already experiencing it, thinking about telling your friend. And if you did that early on in the relationship, you wouldn't get too far before you realize you're with person. That is not good for you because that sometimes happens.

[00:16:18] Dr. Jodi Aman: Sometimes people trauma bond and then the other person takes advantage of them. So for example, with someone who's empathic or someone who's quite sensitive, they've experienced trauma. [00:16:30] They feel really fully what the world is because that was the survival school they had that it feel out the person who is abusing them.

[00:16:37] Dr. Jodi Aman: So they knew how to, when they had to keep themselves safe. Right. And then you have like a narcissistic person. So this also is a person who's experienced trauma. This is a anxiety disorder because they feel dysregulated all the time. And so they feel like they have to control situations or other people.

[00:16:56] Dr. Jodi Aman: Themselves in very, very strict and rigid [00:17:00] ways in order to reregulate, but because it's not sustaining, 'cause they're not really using their personal agency, they're like consuming other people, uh, and controlling other people. It's not sustainable and they have to keep doing it. And sometimes it increases and increases.

[00:17:17] Dr. Jodi Aman: So that's where a narcissist would come from. And so sometimes you might trauma bond with somebody and then they're so dysregulated, they have narcissistic tendencies and they start to try to [00:17:30] control you. That's a problem. That would be a really huge problem that you don't wanna get into. That's why you wanna tell your friends early on in a relationship because once you start loving somebody, it's really hard to get out of there.

[00:17:43] Dr. Jodi Aman: Really hard to get outta there. And if you are along, if you're along and you're like, this is me. I'm in this thing. I've been in here for a couple years. This is a narcissist. This person is not a narcissist. This person has narcissistic actions, [00:18:00] tendencies, behaviors. Because I don't like to label people.

[00:18:04] Dr. Jodi Aman: 'cause sometimes there's some good in them too, but when they get dysregulated. They have to grasp and they have to try to control somebody else or control situations and you're there and man, they're consuming you right to regulate themselves. And if you are far into relationship, you're like, I gotta get outta here.

[00:18:23] Dr. Jodi Aman: And that's how you found this 'cause you're like, I gotta get outta here. How do I do it? You have to get [00:18:30] more people. Around you. So you need a community Most of the time, if you are with somebody who's using abusive tactics like power tactics. And power tactics are anything that, anything that somebody does.

[00:18:50] Dr. Jodi Aman: To try to grab power, right? They use leverage against you. They lose, they spin stories. They lie and act like you did something wrong. Uh, they're financially [00:19:00]controlling you. They don't, they, I, they wanna isolate you from other people. They lie, but think you're lying, even though you're not. They're accusing you of stuff that they did and really, really mad.

[00:19:10] Dr. Jodi Aman: You're second guessing yourself. They're blaming you for them getting upset. All of those kind of power tactics did. Turn the ties. They gaslight you. Gaslighting means they make you, they make whatever you're asking or your behavior sound like you're a crazy person, that [00:19:30] something's really wrong with you, like you're totally overreacting or something.

[00:19:33] Dr. Jodi Aman: If you give 'em feedback about their behavior, you turn it right around and act like you're crazy for saying what you're saying. That's gaslighting. So if somebody's using power tactics like the ones I just mentioned with you, they're doing it to regulate themselves and mostly one of the power tactics that's very, very common and usually pretty universal with these kind of [00:20:00]relationships is to isolate you, is to try to get you away from your friends and family as much as possible.

[00:20:05] Dr. Jodi Aman: To consume all of your time so that you don't have people to see through their eyes because they know, and maybe not cognitively, it might be unconscious because they watched somebody else do this behavior. But they know that other people, first of all, they feel threatened by that because they know other people will tell you that they're bad.

[00:20:26] Dr. Jodi Aman: Right? And other people will, will see the, see them from who they are and tell [00:20:30] you and take you away from them. That is so terrifying and so risky to them in their mind, because then how are they gonna survive? How are they gonna be regulated? They'll just be anxious, crazy people, you know, they'll, they'll just be so upset all the time because they won't have you to do that.

[00:20:50] Dr. Jodi Aman: This, again, is largely unconscious. They just feel like I'll die without you. They might say that kind of thing. That is also a power tactic. [00:21:00] Okay? So the way to get away from somebody like that is to get out of isolation. I. So what you wanna do is start to build some relationships outside that relationship and these other relationships will help you build confidence in yourself and give you support so that when you're ready to get out, if you, it depends on how.

[00:21:23] Dr. Jodi Aman: Entrenched, these relationships are maybe you're living with somebody, you're married, you've been there for a long time. If you're really [00:21:30] entrenched, you need to plan before you do anything, you need to plan finances. You need to plan where you're going. You need to plan how you're getting away. You need to plan all this stuff ahead of time so that you're safe and that you can make a, a cleaner break or get supports that you need. 'cause you're gonna need a lot of supports. If you're just starting in it or you're not living together still, then sometimes it's a little bit easier, but let's be real. These people can be very dangerous. So, okay, so [00:22:00] that's not all trauma bonding, that's just one kind of trauma bonding.

[00:22:03] Dr. Jodi Aman: There's that trauma bonding that it feels so good because someone gets you and that feels amazing. Like you feel like so, so amazing. Another risk is when you've had that trauma bond, you could see this you could see this like in a, in an institution, say like a high school or something because there's people together in that situation and people going through teenage years.

[00:22:26] Dr. Jodi Aman: It's developmental to struggle a little bit, but now [00:22:30] in this, with this world, like teenagers are really, really struggling. So when you are isolated and feel crazy and feel different than other people and feel anxious or depressed, you isolate yourself. But then you start to get into a group that is also depressed or anxious or whatever.

[00:22:48] Dr. Jodi Aman: Then there's the trauma bonding, which is wonderful, and you belong finally. And to be isolated and then belong, I mean, this is what humans want. We wanna belong so bad, and so there's [00:23:00] commiserating. As part of the culture of this group, I. For a while it's beautiful, but then it's like if you get better, you're kicked out so you can't get better.

[00:23:10] Dr. Jodi Aman: And this again, unconscious you know, you're not planning this, but we have really complicated brains and we like understand it even though we're not understanding it consciously, if that makes sense. We understand that could get us kicked out or that we wouldn't belong anymore if we were happy.

[00:23:29] Dr. Jodi Aman: [00:23:30] And so then there's a perpetuation of the sadness. There's no motivation to feel happy to all. I, I always say that, when you're in a situation like that, like plan to all rise out together, like, let's lift each other up. Let's decide together that we need to lift each other up and let's all get out of this together and still be best friends.

[00:23:51] Dr. Jodi Aman: You could do it. You could do it. So that's trauma bonding. So trauma bonding often could feel oppressive [00:24:00] if the other person is using power tactics, for sure. Sometimes people using are using power tactics and they don't know that they are. They don't even know that they are. They just like need you.

[00:24:12] Dr. Jodi Aman: They really, really need you. And that doesn't feel like a power tactic because they don't feel very strong. A lot of people who have narcissist tendencies and do these power tactics feel very weak. They don't feel powerful, so they do not even know that they're doing [00:24:30]it, and they also tell themselves they're not doing it and tell themselves that they're weak as well.

[00:24:37] Dr. Jodi Aman: So go watch my video on the Drama triangle because I think that's really good video that's gonna really help you understand. How you get, how you could get in a cycle of one of these three roles. The rules are perpetrator, savior, and victim, and trauma bonding is relating to somebody in that trauma [00:25:00] bonding as a term, as a terminology.

[00:25:03] Dr. Jodi Aman: So the term trauma bonding usually talks about it in a negative connotation. So relating to somebody as a perpetrator victim, access or perpetrator savior access or victim savior access, right? There's some kind of way to relate that's on that drama triangle that's not necessarily a healthy way to relate and a sustaining way to relate somebody's getting hurt and probably both people.

[00:25:29] Dr. Jodi Aman: [00:25:30] The description, trauma bonding. If you were just to describe trauma bonding, you're describing trauma bonding. If you're using it like you are bonding around something that you've had, an experience that you've had, that's not bad, right? So technically. As a description, it's not bad. And so there's some good stuff in it.

[00:25:55] Dr. Jodi Aman: There's some good, we do wanna get around people who get you. You do wanna get around people [00:26:00] who have experienced what you can experience. In fact, in therapy, and I haven't done this in a really long time, but in fact we used to have definitional ceremonies all the time in my office or reflecting team.

[00:26:11] Dr. Jodi Aman: So I would invite back clients that have had that problem in the past, and they had it a long time ago, and they're. Integrated and healed because we had worked together years ago or something like that. And they are able to come in on a newer client, not brand speak new, but like a newer client after I [00:26:30] worked on some things and they, they've developed a, a, an alternate story and really breathed life into that healing process.

[00:26:39] Dr. Jodi Aman: They could have somebody listen to their story. I. And give a reflection of that. And that actually helps them even heal more and more and more. And somebody with insider knowledge some person with an understanding to what they've been through. That's what we call it. Insider knowledge. Like they have insider knowledge of that experience.[00:27:00]

[00:27:00] Dr. Jodi Aman: Amazing. Nothing can top that. There's nothing that could top that. Yeah. So I just realized, I've been looking, I just realized that if I'm not looking at the camera, I'm not, I'm, I don't see myself right here, but I'm looking at the magnet that's holding the phone and it probably looks like I'm looking at myself, but I don't see myself, 'cause my camera's facing the opposite way.

[00:27:27] Dr. Jodi Aman: So if I haven't looked at you this whole time, [00:27:30] it's because I'm not looking at the camera. I don't know why I'm looking at the circle in the middle of the thing. Okay. This is probably a terrible video because I'm not looking at you. It's terrible. Anyway. All right, so we're getting to the end of our time.

[00:27:43] Dr. Jodi Aman: I can't believe how fast this went. So that is trauma bonding. Some of the benefits of trauma bonding. We wanna bond with people, we wanna connect with people, right? The answer is not to be with nobody. That's the answer. A lot of people think, I can't trauma bond, so I gotta be with nobody. I can't get hurt, [00:28:00] I gotta be with nobody.

[00:28:01] Dr. Jodi Aman: That's not the answer. There are trustworthy people, and if you've had trauma, yes, you could make connections with people who've had trauma too, but. If they're integrated and healed a little bit, those will be like your mentors. And if you've around other people who have trauma, it depends on where they are on the path and how nice they are.

[00:28:20] Dr. Jodi Aman: I would observe them a little bit longer and I observe how they are. And if you could really trust, right? I, it [00:28:30] sounds like I'm being really negative of someone who has had trauma, but you do want to, you don't need to. If you've come across somebody else who've experienced trauma, you don't wanna lay, you don't wanna like burden them with all your stuff anyway.

[00:28:44] Dr. Jodi Aman: You wanna get to know them and be friendly and that kind of thing. And if you could trust them, yes, then you could bear your soul to them, but not right away for many reasons. And some of it's kindness, but that doesn't mean don't [00:29:00] do that with anybody. First of all, when you meet anybody, you wait and you watch them for a while.

[00:29:05] Dr. Jodi Aman: You find out how they treat everybody around them. You watch 'em, watch 'em, watch before, you trust them with your heart, anybody you meet, and then you wanna make sure that you have people in your life that are healed also. So you have a variety, right? You have people because, 'cause people are a variety, right?

[00:29:27] Dr. Jodi Aman: So many people have been hurt and they'll get [00:29:30] you. But some people have healed in different levels of healing. And so you wanna diversity of the relationships that you have in your life because you'll learn from all different kinds of diversity of people, of where of their experiences in life, if that makes sense.

[00:29:48] Dr. Jodi Aman: I hope that's really helpful. I was really excited to do this topic because I think it's something that people don't necessarily really understand and I know I'm like going way over, it's like a long video, but hey, if you want [00:30:00] more from me, I have a couple more shows in June.

[00:30:02] Dr. Jodi Aman: I'm taking off. Ask Dr. Jodi for the summer. I'm taking off for the summer. But other than that, I go live every Monday at 8:00 PM and. With the topic for you, if you wanna insider knowledge, come out over to jody m.com/live and you could learn all about what is gonna happen next. And you could also even sign up.

[00:30:26] Dr. Jodi Aman: To be on, to be coached on live [00:30:30] on the show. Um, and you could be anonymous, that's fine but I'd love to, I think people could relate to other people's stories. So I really wanna get more and more stories out there so that you can not feel so crazy, not feel so alone, and understand that it is possible and have hope for healing.

[00:30:48] Dr. Jodi Aman: So come on over to jodiaman.com/live and I will see you next week.